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After more than twenty years of reading hundreds upon hundreds of NDE accounts, trying in vain to find even one other experience that came close to mine, one thing has always troubled me: the experiences I read often seem culturally suited to the experiencer.

Again and again, the experiences are bathed in figures, symbols and explanations familiar to the experiencer's own traditions.

I never took that to mean the experiences were false, but it does make me wonder how much of what is encountered belongs to the experience itself, and how much is supplied by the mind experiencing it.

My own NDE only deepened that question. In all those years of reading, I have never been able to locate another account that closely resembles the progression of my own.

I experienced what I experienced, but I cannot therefore claim that the boundary I perceived, the thread I saw, or the choice I faced describes an objective architecture awaiting everyone else.

For those interested, the most fascinating experience I ever read was Anita Moorjani's. Her story, including the medical circumstances surrounding it, is extraordinary and well worth the investment of time to read...but I digress.

Perhaps this, Glenn, is where your distinction between symbol and referent becomes especially important.

If many traditions use different symbology around apparently similar profound experiences, their recurrence may indeed suggest that something is happening.

But I am less certain that it tells us what that something is.

The cultural differences seem equally important and, to me, suggest that the human mind is involved, at the very least, in shaping how the experience presents itself.

Over the course of my own experience, something else happened:

The need for those trusted and familiar reference points gradually receded.

The first stage of my NDE was littered with familiarity—the tree, the couple in the park—all while my body remained within observable distance.

Then I could no longer see my body, and eventually I no longer needed to. The thread connecting me to it became enough. Finally, even that connection seemed to be approaching the point where I would have to decide whether to let it go.

So I wonder whether the deeper movement is not toward finding the correct symbol at all, but instead toward confronting the fear that requires it—and eventually letting go of our need for one.

Similarity may tell us that something is happening.

Difference should make us very careful about claiming we know what it is.

Blessings

Randy Gazda's avatar

Thank you for sending this, Glen. You might be surprised about my takeaway. Your description of the moral weight you’re carrying is powerful, but the narrative move is even bigger. You’re taking the question of identity and widening it until it becomes a question of nature — the human groundwork. It seems that most writing about the human contradiction stays at the level of behavior; you’re tracing it back to the ontology that makes the contradiction possible.

I think your "temple” is the thing I'm circling too: when a being recognizes itself as something that can be cheapened or honored, and how that recognition determines what comes next. It's cost — acknowledging the wreckage — is profound.

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