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Dave Thaler's avatar

Another thiugh provoking post.

This reminds me of something we've discussed previoudly about trust.

I always tend to go back to that NDE experience where he said " The need for there to be a Mother Mary, or Jesus

...fades."

I think he infers that trust becomes whole, the need for symbols, words or guarantees diminishes—not because they were bad, but because they have fulfilled their purpose.

In a similar way the I turns to "we" may begin as a necessary bridge out of isolation, but at the deepest level, even that bridge can be laid down.

So I'd put it this way:

"I" can become the trap of separation.

"We" can become the trap of tribalism.

Being is neither. It is the reality in which both "I" and "we" arise.

In that sense, the deepest spiritual traditions don't replace "I" with "we." They invite us to awaken to what exists before either word is spoken...or beyond it.

The Vertical Dispatch's avatar

Exactly Amen Namaste

Mark Tilley's avatar

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal."

Many would say it's self evident that they're not, but that at least they ought to be treated as if they are.

Individuals can have equal rights only when groups have no rights, because the only way for groups to have rights is at the expense of equal individual rights.

It follows also that an individual has rights only as an individual, not because they are a member of any particular group. In other words, individuals have equal rights, not because they are a member of a group, but in spite of being a member of a group.

The tribalism that is at the root of the group rights concept is the bane of civilization.