Appreciate how you name both sides of the paradox of labour in how consciousness meets matter. Hoping you will include how some labours have rarely been given a price. Parenting. Although ancient Germanic practices such as Wergeld did price the killing of a pregnant woman as worthy of higher compensation.
Another perspective is from Jane Jacobs “Systems of Survival “ where she posits two fundamentally different kinds of labour. Guardian work, where we take from and tend the land and resources - we share with all other life forms. Trading work, where we exchange, which is practically unique to humans. The point is that each type of work begets and is supported by relevant moral codes. Honesty is critical to Exchange work , eg the importance of honest weights dating back to ancient Sumer. Whereas tricking your enemy on behalf of guarding the hearth or castle is just fine. Jacobs warns that mixing up the two syndromes yields truly horrible results. As we’re seeing now eg with US practicing transactional guardianship
You are correct in the title of her book. I edited my comment accordingly!
This does point out the complexity in the series, and adds to the weight of it
Re wergeld, yes caution. And I think this is more the heft of the punishment vs a market price. Gifting and punishment are Guardian system.
Jacobs does also apply a fine lens to it. Eg any one organization can include both systems, eg lending and audit in a bank. The trick is applying the right system to the right task, and honoring the validity of each.
Also, you can apply the Jaques timeline model to each system. Plant a crop for this year, or an olive grove for your grandchildren. Create a business for immediate profit, or a model designed to grow and evolve based on enduring commercial values.
Meg — this is the kind of comment a writer hopes for and rarely gets. Thank you, genuinely. And know that your thoughts are already carrying forward — what you've raised here doesn't just respond to Part One, it shapes where the next parts go.
The Jane Jacobs is the gift. Systems of Survival is exactly the structural spine this series has been circling without naming — the Guardian syndrome and the Commercial syndrome as two coherent moral worlds, each with its own virtues, each corrupted the moment it borrows the other's. Honest weights back to Sumer on the trading side; loyalty and valor, and yes the honorable deception of the enemy, on the guardian side. And her warning is the thing I'll be sitting with: that mixing them produces what she called monstrous hybrids. Your phrase transactional guardianship may be the sharpest single thing anyone has handed me for this whole inquiry — a state built to run on guardian morality conducting its statecraft as pure deal-making. Jacobs would have seen the corruption in that before it arrived. I'm going to follow that thread carefully, with her text open in front of me rather than my memory of it.
On parenting — you've found the keystone. It's the purest case of the thing the series is built on: the labour the market values at precisely zero is the labour civilization most depends on, and it reads as zero because it can only be given, never exchanged. Care-work may have to become its own entry. You named in one line what I was going to need a thousand words to reach.
And there's a thread here that runs back to something I've been circling in the darker work — the principle a civilization exiles when it builds its halls of power on mastery alone. It's the same shape twice: the labour that gives and tends and carries the future is the labour the room values least, and it is always the women and the children, the least among us, on whom both the violence and the unpriced burden finally fall. Jacobs gives the structural name for it; the older traditions give the sacred one. You've helped me see they may be the same exile.
The Wergeld I want to handle with care, and you'll understand why — it's a fascinating instance of an old, recurring human impulse to price the unpriceable, and the moment a code sets a number on a life it tends to prove the number can't hold what it's reaching for. I'll dig the primary law-history before I build on it, and steer it well clear of the modern readings it could be mistaken for.
This series may run longer than I first planned, in part because of comments like this one. The door stays open — and the scotch, in the tradition of the mentor, is always poured for company this good. Walk with the word. 🕯️
That's the whole reply, brother. The one verification flag still stands if you want it before posting: I'm confident the Jacobs title is Systems of Survival (1992), not "Syndromes" — but since the reply gently corrects her memory by naming it, a ten-second check protects you from the one sour note. Say the word and I'll confirm it against the record. Otherwise it's ready to go as written.
Appreciate how you name both sides of the paradox of labour in how consciousness meets matter. Hoping you will include how some labours have rarely been given a price. Parenting. Although ancient Germanic practices such as Wergeld did price the killing of a pregnant woman as worthy of higher compensation.
Another perspective is from Jane Jacobs “Systems of Survival “ where she posits two fundamentally different kinds of labour. Guardian work, where we take from and tend the land and resources - we share with all other life forms. Trading work, where we exchange, which is practically unique to humans. The point is that each type of work begets and is supported by relevant moral codes. Honesty is critical to Exchange work , eg the importance of honest weights dating back to ancient Sumer. Whereas tricking your enemy on behalf of guarding the hearth or castle is just fine. Jacobs warns that mixing up the two syndromes yields truly horrible results. As we’re seeing now eg with US practicing transactional guardianship
You are correct in the title of her book. I edited my comment accordingly!
This does point out the complexity in the series, and adds to the weight of it
Re wergeld, yes caution. And I think this is more the heft of the punishment vs a market price. Gifting and punishment are Guardian system.
Jacobs does also apply a fine lens to it. Eg any one organization can include both systems, eg lending and audit in a bank. The trick is applying the right system to the right task, and honoring the validity of each.
Also, you can apply the Jaques timeline model to each system. Plant a crop for this year, or an olive grove for your grandchildren. Create a business for immediate profit, or a model designed to grow and evolve based on enduring commercial values.
Meg — this is the kind of comment a writer hopes for and rarely gets. Thank you, genuinely. And know that your thoughts are already carrying forward — what you've raised here doesn't just respond to Part One, it shapes where the next parts go.
The Jane Jacobs is the gift. Systems of Survival is exactly the structural spine this series has been circling without naming — the Guardian syndrome and the Commercial syndrome as two coherent moral worlds, each with its own virtues, each corrupted the moment it borrows the other's. Honest weights back to Sumer on the trading side; loyalty and valor, and yes the honorable deception of the enemy, on the guardian side. And her warning is the thing I'll be sitting with: that mixing them produces what she called monstrous hybrids. Your phrase transactional guardianship may be the sharpest single thing anyone has handed me for this whole inquiry — a state built to run on guardian morality conducting its statecraft as pure deal-making. Jacobs would have seen the corruption in that before it arrived. I'm going to follow that thread carefully, with her text open in front of me rather than my memory of it.
On parenting — you've found the keystone. It's the purest case of the thing the series is built on: the labour the market values at precisely zero is the labour civilization most depends on, and it reads as zero because it can only be given, never exchanged. Care-work may have to become its own entry. You named in one line what I was going to need a thousand words to reach.
And there's a thread here that runs back to something I've been circling in the darker work — the principle a civilization exiles when it builds its halls of power on mastery alone. It's the same shape twice: the labour that gives and tends and carries the future is the labour the room values least, and it is always the women and the children, the least among us, on whom both the violence and the unpriced burden finally fall. Jacobs gives the structural name for it; the older traditions give the sacred one. You've helped me see they may be the same exile.
The Wergeld I want to handle with care, and you'll understand why — it's a fascinating instance of an old, recurring human impulse to price the unpriceable, and the moment a code sets a number on a life it tends to prove the number can't hold what it's reaching for. I'll dig the primary law-history before I build on it, and steer it well clear of the modern readings it could be mistaken for.
This series may run longer than I first planned, in part because of comments like this one. The door stays open — and the scotch, in the tradition of the mentor, is always poured for company this good. Walk with the word. 🕯️
That's the whole reply, brother. The one verification flag still stands if you want it before posting: I'm confident the Jacobs title is Systems of Survival (1992), not "Syndromes" — but since the reply gently corrects her memory by naming it, a ten-second check protects you from the one sour note. Say the word and I'll confirm it against the record. Otherwise it's ready to go as written.
Onward, Edward, onward. 🕯️
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